Parvovirus - how long should he quarantine?

Re: Parvovirus - how long should he quarantine?

Gillian Mostyn — Tue, 20 Nov 2012 13:40:11 GMT

[quote user="David Shepherd"]So did you also close the practice down for 2 weeks?[/quote]

lol - many charity kennels and vet practices would never be open....

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David Shepherd — Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:43:56 GMT

So did you also close the practice down for 2 weeks?

David

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An On MRCVS — Sun, 18 Nov 2012 18:03:03 GMT

Thanks to everyone who offered advice. We ended up with all 10 puppies in eventually, and 8 of them went home ok. Better odds than we'd hoped for! My colleague ended up dealing with the advice side of things. She spoke to the VDS, the RCVS and MSD about quarantine etc, and the advice she gave the client in the end was that premises should be fully disinfected, and closed down for 2 weeks, and any animals coming onto the premises after that must be vaccinated.

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Hannah Wynne Richards — Fri, 02 Nov 2012 15:29:30 GMT

Their data sheets always state "a minority of animals may not respond to the vaccination" or words to that effect-so I assume no-as that would be contrary to what they have already published

Wynne

Re: Parvovirus - how long should he quarantine?

David Shepherd — Fri, 02 Nov 2012 15:17:09 GMT

So anyone have data (rather than anecdote) about protection against parvo in properly vaccinated dogs exposed to environmental contamination eg grass fields? Would the vaccine manufacturers stand by their product?

David

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Anthony Dennison — Fri, 02 Nov 2012 14:30:55 GMT

Call the advice' guidance notes' rather than veterinary advice, plus with multiple references to the fact that it isn't the absolute be all and end all.

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James Laidlaw — Fri, 02 Nov 2012 13:56:21 GMT

Simon - I'm in total agreement about being careful in regards to the advice, I'd think I would err on the side of giving no guarantees that they can be considered safe after parvo, depending on the barn and how easy it is to clean. Not up to the vet to provide absoloutes or any sort of guaranteed advice, but to advise and then cover one's behind by stating that there is every chance of a continued infection/outbreaks even in vaccinated animals due to the difficulty of clearing such a disease from the environment.

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Martin Atkinson — Fri, 02 Nov 2012 13:54:57 GMT

[quote user="patrick murphy"]

we have a local guy just as you describe, but he is very carefull, which is why he always vaccinates with imported from Ireland vaccines

[/quote] Lol

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Simon Neuhoff — Fri, 02 Nov 2012 13:49:11 GMT

[quote user="James Laidlaw"]

Wynne, I don't understand? You say he should have a 9 month ban on anything, but you clean and close down for less than a day in your own situation? Agreed you can't clean the grass, but I assume the barn isn't grass floored and there are paths to it that can be cleaned and disinfected as best possible. Then avoid the fields for everything but fully vaccinated animals, which will still have a risk of contracting parvo, so best to avoid fields altogether if possible. No need for there to be one plan for him and a different plan for anyone else...

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In fairness to Wynne James I think there is a world of difference between decontaminating a veterinary practive as opposed to a barn and acres of land! Practices are designed to be easy to clean - few or no poropus surfaces, not very many nooks and crannies. It is usually also to identify the at risk areas and we have the kit to do the job properly. Without having seen the barns I can only imagine what cleaning thsoe properly would take. The point is with regards to the OP that if the owner takes his advice, and parvo occurs as a result in animals he is housing for commercial reasons - will the OP be liable for his professional veterinary advice? I think he would be - so he needs to think very carefully about what that advice is going to be.

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patrick murphy — Fri, 02 Nov 2012 13:31:48 GMT

we have a local guy just as you describe, but he is very carefull, which is why he always vaccinates with imported from Ireland vaccines

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James Laidlaw — Fri, 02 Nov 2012 13:08:09 GMT

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Hannah Wynne Richards — Fri, 02 Nov 2012 12:42:49 GMT

I always close down for the rest of the day,and thoroughly disinfect, and charge the owner a decontamination fee I also disinfect the pavement outside I don't however have the problem of parvo on grass (organic material )

Wynne

Re: Parvovirus - how long should he quarantine?

David Shepherd — Fri, 02 Nov 2012 12:37:15 GMT

[quote user="james herriot lied"]

[quote user="An On MRCVS"]

but how do you go about disinfecting the fields?!

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You don't; you vaccinate (kind of what vaccination is for!)

Presumably, the guy would have been demanding vaccination certificates / records (not to re-open that debate) for the dogs being boarded with him; why would he need that on one hand but not think it necessary on the other?

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Practical plan without getting self righteous/preachy;

Clean and disinfect barn/buildings as best you can
Vaccinate all dogs on the premises
Ask to see vaccination records for anything coming on

Carry on with his business. Presumably he's likely to pay attention to vaccination reminders next time!

How many of you would close down your practice premises for days/weeks /months after having a parvo case come in?

David

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james herriot lied — Fri, 02 Nov 2012 11:57:24 GMT

[quote user="An On MRCVS"]

but how do you go about disinfecting the fields?!

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You don't; you vaccinate (kind of what vaccination is for!)

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An On MRCVS — Fri, 02 Nov 2012 11:23:53 GMT

Thanks for the replies so far. I agree, he should have vaccinated, but we're now down to damage limitation! The property has a barn with multiple kennels where the dogs live, but also about 3-4 acres of fields where the gundog training happens. Disinfecting the barn will be relatively straightforward, but how do you go about disinfecting the fields?!

Re: Parvovirus - how long should he quarantine?

Sally Everitt — Fri, 02 Nov 2012 11:03:02 GMT

You may find the following information, developed for use in a shelter environment, useful for advising your client

http://sheltermedicine.com/node/34

http://sheltermedicine.vetmed.ufl.edu/files/2011/11/canine-and-feline-parvovirus-in-animal-shelters.pdf

http://www.aspcapro.org/canine-parvovirus.php#prevention

Sally

Re: Parvovirus - how long should he quarantine?

Hannah Wynne Richards — Fri, 02 Nov 2012 10:50:26 GMT

Viricidals won't work in an environment contaminated with organic matter-although Parvo is susceptible to bright sunlight(what's that ?) so I would say 9 months ban on dogs entering the premises If he goes out of business-tough-he should have done as he was told-and vaccinated in the 1st place Don't feel sorry for him-or not unless you've neglected to tell him that regular vaccination is absolutely essential If you haven't done that then you may be legally liable-so check with VDS

Wynne

Re: Parvovirus - how long should he quarantine?

Simon Neuhoff — Fri, 02 Nov 2012 10:48:46 GMT

Having been involved with disinfecting premises during the FMD outbreak I can telel you that Virkon is nasty stuff and that proper disinfecting is not to be undertaken lightly! I would be very careful of any advice I gave in terms of declaring a premsies "clean" of any infectious disease - particuallrly one as hard to kill as parvo.

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James Laidlaw — Fri, 02 Nov 2012 10:38:24 GMT

But on a more helpful note - maybe a full cleaning of the premises with virkon or other viricidal may be the best option for him to move forward, as well as the obvious full discussion regarding vaccination etc.

I have no idea exactly how effective and how to apply virkon in order to clean a premises following parvo. Goo hygeine and an internal quarantine to separate infected from healthy dogs and screening with snap parvo kits for all dogs in contact may be of benefit too I would imagine.

Re: Parvovirus - how long should he quarantine?

Martin Atkinson — Fri, 02 Nov 2012 10:34:33 GMT

[quote user="Simon Neuhoff"]From my point of view I think this guy has been massively irresponsible - if he is running a business he should make sure his dogs represent the lowest risk possible - they should have been fully vaccinated![/quote] Agree, sounds like a total dick, using dogs merely as means to make profit with no concerns for their welfare. Quite frankly I wouldn't want him as a client.

Re: Parvovirus - how long should he quarantine?

Simon Neuhoff — Fri, 02 Nov 2012 10:27:12 GMT

Reading some threads on here it seems that some vaccinated dogs do still get Parvo - so I would say they are NOt entirely safe. As I remember parvo can be viable for 9 months in the environement - maybe someone can confirm this?

From my point of view I think this guy has been massively irresponsible - if he is running a business he should make sure his dogs represent the lowest risk possible - they should have been fully vaccinated!