Quick poll of opinion

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bob lehner — Thu, 04 Oct 2012 17:42:32 GMT

Last three hours on train from London to Swansea thinking up that one......sad.

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Hannah Wynne Richards — Thu, 04 Oct 2012 17:38:36 GMT

Bob

Ouch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wynne

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bob lehner — Thu, 04 Oct 2012 17:31:28 GMT

[quote user="Michael Woodhouse"]

[quote user="Hannah Wynne Richards"]Serious comment now If this pica is of sudden onset-is it anaemic, or has some malabsorption prob?[/quote]

Sounds more like dog is being ignored in the study/office whilst owner gets on with work.

Shall we have a sweepstake whether it is a Pritt Stick or a paperclip next........

[/quote] Definitely needs to change its staple diet.

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Anthony Todd — Thu, 04 Oct 2012 17:24:17 GMT

[quote user="Laurence Webb"]

[quote user="plantagenet"]Came through fine, he's 20 now.[/quote]A bit old to be doing that type of thing isn't he?

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Love it; only the English have that sense of humour!!

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Laurence Webb — Thu, 04 Oct 2012 10:14:42 GMT

[quote user="plantagenet"]Came through fine, he's 20 now.[/quote]A bit old to be doing that type of thing isn't he?

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Jo Cobbett — Thu, 04 Oct 2012 10:13:29 GMT

[quote user="Anthony Todd"]

[quote user="Hannah Wynne Richards"]Serious comment[/quote]

What about getting the dog to swallow a small magnet a la cow magnet?

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I could see this working if the objects were still in the stomach, but if they're in the SI would there be a risk of the magnet attracting the metal objects with layers of gut wall in between? (although it might have to be a very strong magnet to acheive that!)

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plantagenet — Thu, 04 Oct 2012 09:29:51 GMT

My friend's son (him Dr, her nurse - doubly embarrassing) ate several glass Christmas decorations. Came through fine, he's 20 now.

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Anthony Todd — Thu, 04 Oct 2012 08:41:46 GMT

[quote user="Hannah Wynne Richards"]Serious comment[/quote]

What about getting the dog to swallow a small magnet a la cow magnet?

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Lorna McHardy — Wed, 03 Oct 2012 19:20:53 GMT

No way would I try to find something as small and fiddly as a handful of staples in a dog's stomach unless there were compelling clinical signs.... the chances are, they'll pass through. Second the cotton wool sandwich.

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Rob Reid — Wed, 03 Oct 2012 17:21:21 GMT

I wouldn't be operating either, unless any relevant clinical signs develop. I have a couple of friends that are human nurses and you'd be amazed what gets left to be passed through in human medicine....

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Mark Holmes — Wed, 03 Oct 2012 17:21:01 GMT

Thats good, my instinct was to leave alone, partly borne out of "how the hell will I find all the staples in there" but also having seen what the NHS is quite happy to leave to pass. Its just that staples do look a rather dodgy shape for a peristaltic wave and I had a crisis of confidence.

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Gillian Mostyn — Wed, 03 Oct 2012 17:16:42 GMT

I wouldn't operate unless there were symptoms of a problem. It is amazing what they pass through!

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Michael Woodhouse — Wed, 03 Oct 2012 17:04:23 GMT

[quote user="Hannah Wynne Richards"]Serious comment now If this pica is of sudden onset-is it anaemic, or has some malabsorption prob?[/quote]

Sounds more like dog is being ignored in the study/office whilst owner gets on with work.

Shall we have a sweepstake whether it is a Pritt Stick or a paperclip next........

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Hannah Wynne Richards — Wed, 03 Oct 2012 15:53:37 GMT

Serious comment now If this pica is of sudden onset-is it anaemic, or has some malabsorption prob?

Wynne

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Jo Cobbett — Wed, 03 Oct 2012 15:46:18 GMT

[quote user="Hannah Wynne Richards"]

or fit it with a zip

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Make sure it's tightly fitted or it might eat that too!

I've also heard mashed potato or bread suggested as a bulking agents to help pass things like this through.

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Hannah Wynne Richards — Wed, 03 Oct 2012 15:34:59 GMT

PS to above-muzzle that dog-or fit it with a zip

Wynne

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Hannah Wynne Richards — Wed, 03 Oct 2012 15:33:35 GMT

It just feels wrong toleave a FB that could potentially penetrate-but after the glass case that went to DC and Dick White said it would have been better left-then I would now leave and give cotton wool meal-which if I remember correctly was the Specialist advice at that time

Wynne

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plantagenet — Wed, 03 Oct 2012 15:16:16 GMT

I prefer weetabix. I would be worried about cotton wool. Would not op unless signs.

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Mark Rowland — Wed, 03 Oct 2012 14:57:56 GMT

You are probably right, it's just not something I've heard of before that's all :-)

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Mark Holmes — Wed, 03 Oct 2012 14:54:40 GMT

[quote user="Mark Rowland"]I would also leave, my only concern would be the opinion of the VDS on purposefully introducing another non digestible foreign body if the cotton wool got stuck or attached to the staples and then remained in the stomach or blocked the intestine( sorry just playing devils advocate that's all).

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i was under the impression that cotton wool meals were a recognised means of treating potentially hazardous foreign bodies

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tess — Wed, 03 Oct 2012 14:37:36 GMT

What about an All Bran meal. Plenty of fibre to help them pass through?

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Mark Rowland — Wed, 03 Oct 2012 14:35:42 GMT

I would also leave, my only concern would be the opinion of the VDS on purposefully introducing another non digestible foreign body if the cotton wool got stuck or attached to the staples and then remained in the stomach or blocked the intestine( sorry just playing devils advocate that's all).

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Mark Holmes — Wed, 03 Oct 2012 14:26:30 GMT

[quote user="jamie winstone"]

That`s a bit like removing all the lead pellets from a shotgun blast - Totally impractical.

I wouldn`t consider operating unless clinical signs made it imperative.

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Good thats what I figured

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jamie winstone — Wed, 03 Oct 2012 14:00:02 GMT

That`s a bit like removing all the lead pellets from a shotgun blast - Totally impractical.

I wouldn`t consider operating unless clinical signs made it imperative.