10yo Fn Lurcher with SMI - not totally responsive

Re: 10yo Fn Lurcher with SMI - not totally responsive

Utlendigur — Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:41:05 GMT

The only other treatment I have heard of that hasn't been mentioned is collagen injections. I have no idea of success rates, complications etc, and no connection with the referral centre, but there is an case study here http://www.nwsurgeons.co.uk/casestudy/49/-sally-96-urinary-incontinence-treated-with-collagen-injections.php

Re: 10yo Fn Lurcher with SMI - not totally responsive

Stephen Courtney — Wed, 18 Jul 2012 21:52:35 GMT

We had the technical vet from Virbac visit alst night, he gave an excellent presentation on their products in the repro field, and mentioned using the deslorelin implant as an adjunct to propalin and incurin - no need to discontinue the incurin. Seems to help about 70% ie improve continence - not necessarily dry them up.

If you can arrange a visit from Virbac to discuss ypozane and suprelorin, also the new Canileish vaccine, well worth it!

Very helpful regarding offlabel use for the implants such as for incontinence, also shrinking vaginal leiomyomas prior to surgery!

Re: 10yo Fn Lurcher with SMI - not totally responsive

Andrew Kent — Wed, 18 Jul 2012 19:48:48 GMT

I would second trying suprelorin implant prior to considering surgery as I have found it very effective in dogs still incontinent on propalin and incurin. Though as far as I am aware you can continue incurin whilst it is used.

Re: 10yo Fn Lurcher with SMI - not totally responsive

Hannah Wynne Richards — Wed, 18 Jul 2012 18:25:03 GMT

Has she got superimposed bacterial cystitis, ?

Wynne

Re: 10yo Fn Lurcher with SMI - not totally responsive

David Mills — Wed, 18 Jul 2012 16:24:12 GMT

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Deslorelin (suprelorin) in combination with PPA has shown some excellent results achieving upto 100% continence in some small case series.

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is that in male dogs female dogs or both ?

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Case series was in spayed females. Mechanism incompletely understood. Response to suprelorin on own around 70%, rising to 100% with PPA added. Don't use incurin and spur together (antagonistic).

Re: 10yo Fn Lurcher with SMI - not totally responsive

Iain McAllister — Wed, 18 Jul 2012 16:20:20 GMT

[quote user="David Mills"]

Deslorelin (suprelorin) in combination with PPA has shown some excellent results achieving upto 100% continence in some small case series.

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is that in male dogs female dogs or both ?

Re: 10yo Fn Lurcher with SMI - not totally responsive

Iain McAllister — Wed, 18 Jul 2012 16:19:00 GMT

[quote user="Louise Alexander"]I've had a Collie who was 80% dry with Incurin and started on Previcox made her 100% dry[/quote]

hadnt thought about that no locomotion problems to my knowlege but I havent explored that avenue thanks

Re: 10yo Fn Lurcher with SMI - not totally responsive

Louise6732 — Wed, 18 Jul 2012 15:53:18 GMT

Have you considered other things like PUPD, or OA making it difficult for her to fully empty when she does go? I've had a Collie who was 80% dry with Incurin and started on Previcox made her 100% dry!

Louise

Re: 10yo Fn Lurcher with SMI - not totally responsive

David Mills — Wed, 18 Jul 2012 15:33:40 GMT

Deslorelin (suprelorin) in combination with PPA has shown some excellent results achieving upto 100% continence in some small case series.

Re: 10yo Fn Lurcher with SMI - not totally responsive

Malcolm Ness — Wed, 18 Jul 2012 15:05:13 GMT

Surgey - either urethropexy or colposuspension have been shown to be effective in many cases. However, if you review the literature bear in mind that some of the case series relate to a time before medical management was as widespread or as effective as it now is. Most of the bitches coming to surgery these days have failed to respond t appropriate medical therapy and many of us believe that the prognosis with surgery on those bitches is not quite as good as it was previously.