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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="https://www.vetsurgeon.org/utility/feedstylesheets/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>Pelvic and femoral fractures</title><link>https://www.vetsurgeon.org/f/clinical-questions/11834/pelvic-and-femoral-fractures</link><description> RTA 2yo dog which had managed to amputate a leg (almost) at tibia as well as fracturing femur mid-diaphyseal; other hindleg mid-diaphyseal femur fracture, oblique, simple; pelvis bilat ischial fractures and sacral separation on good leg side, significant</description><dc:language>en-US</dc:language><generator>Telligent Community 10</generator><item><title>Re: Pelvic and femoral fractures</title><link>https://www.vetsurgeon.org/thread/65265?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 21:07:09 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">146601cc-3922-4be7-9974-7e1d4e45a66b:5ef4ad3b-51fc-4d3a-bb1b-e7ab7f4b58ce</guid><dc:creator>David Mills</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;[quote user=&amp;quot;Malcolm Ness&amp;quot;]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Almost all diaphyseal fractures can be repaired with an expectation of a return to full function.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Cases involving a single fracture on a single limb are much the most common and (relatively) very straight forward to manage - the fact that our patients have 3 good limbs means that we &amp;quot;get away&amp;quot; with some fracture repairs of questionable quality. However, that is emphatically NOT the case when a second limb is involved when it becomes essential to fix the fracture such that the patient can weight-bear confidently from day 1.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In David&amp;#39;s case, single session fixation of all the relevant fractures would have been indicated. A decision would be taken on the almost amputated limb - if saveable the tibia would be fixed (? bilateral ex fix) but this would mean that the ipselateral femur (Plate rod - a plate alone would be marginally strrong enough) AND the ipselateral ischium (DCP or locking plate) would also need to be repaired. Amputation would not impair the other side and might be cost-effective. The other side would require a good repair of the femur (again a plate-rod would be advisable) and good fixation of the ilium (DCP or locking plate) AND the SI (2 long screws) would be required. I would hope, and expect, to see the dog up and about within 48 hours of surgery.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;These cases cannot be done on the cheap and any attempt to compromise or cut corners will very likely end in tears. They are not for the occasional surgeon and the &amp;quot;step up&amp;quot; in difficulty from a single leg fracture to a multiple limb fracture case cannot be over stated.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Thanks for this, very informative. No one was available at our place for the surgery and referral not an option so PTS was the only real option in this case - certainly not something I would have attempted. Very interesting that these things can be fixed and the expected rapid return to weight bearing if done properly. Surprisingly, this dog had been hit on the back end and apart from a few cuts to the body was unharmed otherwise. Tibia was completely fractured, leg only attached by skin.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If I can locate them I&amp;#39;ll try to post the rads this weekend for interest.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Pelvic and femoral fractures</title><link>https://www.vetsurgeon.org/thread/65259?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 19:13:10 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">146601cc-3922-4be7-9974-7e1d4e45a66b:f0f66900-e03f-4de5-81f6-b5dbe47ec421</guid><dc:creator>Gillian Mostyn</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;img src="https://www.vetsurgeon.org/emoticons/v2/Winking_smiley.gif" alt="Wink" /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;phew - you had me worried for a minute there.....&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Pelvic and femoral fractures</title><link>https://www.vetsurgeon.org/thread/65258?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 19:10:53 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">146601cc-3922-4be7-9974-7e1d4e45a66b:07697d22-3040-4da5-9e0c-72940ff34aa5</guid><dc:creator>Michael Woodhouse</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;[quote user=&amp;quot;Gillian Mostyn&amp;quot;]I really hope you missed the fact that the other hindlimb had a femoral fracture.[/quote]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yes I did.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Pelvic and femoral fractures</title><link>https://www.vetsurgeon.org/thread/65256?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 18:45:01 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">146601cc-3922-4be7-9974-7e1d4e45a66b:bad54f2f-6360-4ccd-b163-02876ba31c99</guid><dc:creator>Louise6732</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;[quote user=&amp;quot;Gillian Mostyn&amp;quot;]
&lt;p&gt;[quote user=&amp;quot;Michael Woodhouse&amp;quot;]Amputate the dangling leg. 6 weeks cage confinement and NSAIDS and you&amp;#39;d be amazed. [/quote]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Not sure why I&amp;#39;m bothering to reply to this, but seriously? &lt;img src="https://www.vetsurgeon.org/emoticons/v2/Shocked_smiley.png" alt="Shocked" /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I really hope you missed the fact that the other hindlimb had a femoral fracture.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Gillian, my thoughts too!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Pelvic and femoral fractures</title><link>https://www.vetsurgeon.org/thread/65234?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 14:35:09 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">146601cc-3922-4be7-9974-7e1d4e45a66b:2a4229df-e4e5-4c3e-9c0c-f02513d4048d</guid><dc:creator>Gillian Mostyn</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;[quote user=&amp;quot;Michael Woodhouse&amp;quot;]Amputate the dangling leg. 6 weeks cage confinement and NSAIDS and you&amp;#39;d be amazed. [/quote]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Not sure why I&amp;#39;m bothering to reply to this, but seriously? &lt;img src="https://www.vetsurgeon.org/emoticons/v2/Shocked_smiley.png" alt="Shocked" /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I really hope you missed the fact that the other hindlimb had a femoral fracture.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Pelvic and femoral fractures</title><link>https://www.vetsurgeon.org/thread/65232?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 13:01:43 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">146601cc-3922-4be7-9974-7e1d4e45a66b:8f7a101c-8582-452d-9daf-e8c7c0240c4c</guid><dc:creator>Hannah Wynne Richards</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;My options to the owner would have been refer or euthanase-as I know my surgery wouldn&amp;#39;thave been up to this so I would have increased the animals suffering unnecessarily if I had tried it&amp;nbsp; Sounds like an horrendous injury &amp;nbsp;David&amp;#39;s problem is that working for Blue Cross he&amp;#39;s limited to in-house expertise so don&amp;#39;t feel bad about euthanasing&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Wynne&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Pelvic and femoral fractures</title><link>https://www.vetsurgeon.org/thread/65228?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 10:52:36 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">146601cc-3922-4be7-9974-7e1d4e45a66b:dcb223dc-34f4-41ac-abb0-ea4a1af2f3d2</guid><dc:creator>Mark Holmes</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;[quote user=&amp;quot;Malcolm Ness&amp;quot;]
&lt;p&gt;Almost all diaphyseal fractures can be repaired with an expectation of a return to full function.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Cases involving a single fracture on a single limb are much the most common and (relatively) very straight forward to manage - the fact that our patients have 3 good limbs means that we &amp;quot;get away&amp;quot; with some fracture repairs of questionable quality. However, that is emphatically NOT the case when a second limb is involved when it becomes essential to fix the fracture such that the patient can weight-bear confidently from day 1.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In David&amp;#39;s case, single session fixation of all the relevant fractures would have been indicated. A decision would be taken on the almost amputated limb - if saveable the tibia would be fixed (? bilateral ex fix) but this would mean that the ipselateral femur (Plate rod - a plate alone would be marginally strrong enough) AND the ipselateral ischium (DCP or locking plate) would also need to be repaired. Amputation would not impair the other side and might be cost-effective. The other side would require a good repair of the femur (again a plate-rod would be advisable) and good fixation of the ilium (DCP or locking plate) AND the SI (2 long screws) would be required. I would hope, and expect, to see the dog up and about within 48 hours of surgery.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;These cases cannot be done on the cheap and any attempt to compromise or cut corners will very likely end in tears. They are not for the occasional surgeon and the &amp;quot;step up&amp;quot; in difficulty from a single leg fracture to a multiple limb fracture case cannot be over stated.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Over and above the technical aspects of a multiple limb repair the mental taxation for the vet must very demanding if you are not&amp;nbsp;very familiar with the surgery and also and possibly more significantly the duration of surgery.&amp;nbsp; To me it is one thing to fix a frature fresh but then&amp;nbsp;to start a repair drained is a quite different matter altogether.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;I do the occasional fracture repair and have so far been successful but frankly the thought of starting again on the other limb would probably drive me to tears... a bit like turning a dental over.&amp;nbsp; aaaahhhhh!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Pelvic and femoral fractures</title><link>https://www.vetsurgeon.org/thread/65227?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 10:28:54 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">146601cc-3922-4be7-9974-7e1d4e45a66b:37646144-f71e-4768-82ee-7674b76586b3</guid><dc:creator>Malcolm Ness</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Almost all diaphyseal fractures can be repaired with an expectation of a return to full function.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Cases involving a single fracture on a single limb are much the most common and (relatively) very straight forward to manage - the fact that our patients have 3 good limbs means that we &amp;quot;get away&amp;quot; with some fracture repairs of questionable quality. However, that is emphatically NOT the case when a second limb is involved when it becomes essential to fix the fracture such that the patient can weight-bear confidently from day 1.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In David&amp;#39;s case, single session fixation of all the relevant fractures would have been indicated. A decision would be taken on the almost amputated limb - if saveable the tibia would be fixed (? bilateral ex fix) but this would mean that the ipselateral femur (Plate rod - a plate alone would be marginally strrong enough) AND the ipselateral ischium (DCP or locking plate) would also need to be repaired. Amputation would not impair the other side and might be cost-effective. The other side would require a good repair of the femur (again a plate-rod would be advisable) and good fixation of the ilium (DCP or locking plate) AND the SI (2 long screws) would be required. I would hope, and expect, to see the dog up and about within 48 hours of surgery.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;These cases cannot be done on the cheap and any attempt to compromise or cut corners will very likely end in tears. They are not for the occasional surgeon and the &amp;quot;step up&amp;quot; in difficulty from a single leg fracture to a multiple limb fracture case cannot be over stated.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Pelvic and femoral fractures</title><link>https://www.vetsurgeon.org/thread/65225?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 10:26:21 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">146601cc-3922-4be7-9974-7e1d4e45a66b:cd58c014-58c3-421a-aa33-2c1bd20b147a</guid><dc:creator>Michael Woodhouse</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Amputate the dangling leg. 6 weeks cage confinement and NSAIDS and you&amp;#39;d be amazed. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Pelvic and femoral fractures</title><link>https://www.vetsurgeon.org/thread/65221?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 08:45:37 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">146601cc-3922-4be7-9974-7e1d4e45a66b:4d257564-b6d2-4526-b86b-86915d853281</guid><dc:creator>Alet Engelbrecht</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Eish! To quote my countrymen...&lt;img src="https://www.vetsurgeon.org/emoticons/v2/Winking_smiley.gif" alt="Wink" /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A case for the bionic vet?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Pelvic and femoral fractures</title><link>https://www.vetsurgeon.org/thread/65219?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 08:34:53 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">146601cc-3922-4be7-9974-7e1d4e45a66b:659ef4ac-1ef7-46ae-b3db-666353d71fae</guid><dc:creator>Alastair Franklin</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;No reason why not, assuming no other major injuries (eg to the forelimbs). Human orthopods do some amazing stuff,&amp;nbsp;but bodies (human and dog) can show remarkable healing ability with time, patience and an appropriate helping hand. Given the severe injuries sustained I&amp;#39;d be worried about ruling out other issues though.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Would be nice to see the rads, however in theory could do a unilateral amputation to tidy up the first limb, then plate for the remaining femur. Ischium can&amp;nbsp;usually be left alone (since effectively non-load bearing) provided not causing any obstruction. SI fracture/luxation (I assume this is the case rather than sacral fracture) could in theory be left as is if minimally displaced and no&amp;nbsp;neuro issues, but would be far preferable to fix to enable earlier weight bearing. Cage restriction then restricted activity for a few weeks and provided can urinate and defaecate ok should have a decent QOL. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Saying that though, this would be reasonably long haul and major costs. Also, I wouldn&amp;#39;t be too keen on this if it&amp;nbsp;was an obese Bernese, but fair game if its a small-medium breed and good owners. For the record, i have been directly involved with similar-sounding cases, with some decent degrees of success. However, in many cases euth is a sensible and realistic&amp;nbsp;option for owners.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item></channel></rss>