chicken with suprelorin implant

Re: chicken with suprelorin implant

HMC — Sun, 13 May 2012 16:17:32 GMT

[quote user="Michael Woodhouse"]Did you get a chance to PM?[/quote]

Sadly no. I wasn't in the practice that day and I doubt it was offered to the owner.

Re: chicken with suprelorin implant

Michael Woodhouse — Sat, 12 May 2012 15:11:02 GMT

[quote user="Hannah Bose"]

The chicken was euth'd, despite my telephone advice.

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Hannah, I think its for the best. Did you get a chance to PM?

Re: chicken with suprelorin implant

HMC — Fri, 11 May 2012 14:15:25 GMT

The chicken was euth'd, despite my telephone advice.

Re: chicken with suprelorin implant

Mark Rowland — Wed, 09 May 2012 12:31:50 GMT

[quote user="Hannah Bose"]

[quote user="Mark Rowland"]I wouldn't bother with the implant . The chicken is sick and this is where you need to focus your efforts. If virbac are saying to do an ovariectomy they don't know much about chickens. Supportive care (inc fluids and gavage feeding) antibacterial drugs and investigation are what's needed now.

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My head's starting to hurt! And I'm not even working in the practice with the chicken today but relaying this to the head nurse!

Thank you. I will make renewed efforts to get the owner on board to see your/my way of thinking.

[/quote] Ha ha well while we are about it, I wonder what the egg withdrawal would be for a non licensed sustained release synthetic hormone implant in a chicken. Now that justifiably should be never. And yet eggs are banned even though the meat withdrawal for baytril in chickens is 8 days! One would assume therefore that it's out of the system at this point? Le sigh

Re: chicken with suprelorin implant

HMC — Wed, 09 May 2012 11:35:57 GMT

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My head's starting to hurt! And I'm not even working in the practice with the chicken today but relaying this to the head nurse!

Thank you. I will make renewed efforts to get the owner on board to see your/my way of thinking.

Re: chicken with suprelorin implant

Mark Rowland — Wed, 09 May 2012 10:43:34 GMT

I wouldn't bother with the implant . The chicken is sick and this is where you need to focus your efforts. If virbac are saying to do an ovariectomy they don't know much about chickens. Supportive care (inc fluids and gavage feeding) antibacterial drugs and investigation are what's needed now.

Re: chicken with suprelorin implant

HMC — Wed, 09 May 2012 09:29:37 GMT

[quote user="james herriot lied"]Entirely my point: the briefest exposure to baytril, for example, disqualifies the chicken from producing eggs for human consumption for life.[/quote]

I thought it was 6 weeks?! I called Bayer recently about that.

[quote user="james herriot lied"]There's a difference, obviously, between occasional soft/missing shells and constant yolks, but was the chicken bothered by them?[/quote]

The illness coincides with the chicken starting to produce yolks/lashes again. I don't think the chicken was ill with the yolks prior to the suprelorin implant but now is ill.

I've just spoke to Virbac and they recommended trying another suprelorin implant but with the proviso that it might not help (but shouldn't cause much harm!) if the chicken is insensitive to the hormone. If it doesn't help then ovariectomay may be an option!

[quote user="Mark Rowland"]Some bloods are a good start.[/quote]

I have reiterated that to the owner.

Thanks

Re: chicken with suprelorin implant

james herriot lied — Wed, 09 May 2012 08:15:38 GMT

[quote user="Michael Woodhouse"]

Are we not getting into some rather dodgy ethics filling what are legally food producing animals up with unlicensed medicines?

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Entirely my point: the briefest exposure to baytril, for example, disqualifies the chicken from producing eggs for human consumption for life. So if a bird wasn't ill, but was producing unusable eggs, I'd probably leave it alone.

As an aside, one or both of my oldest chickens started laying eggs again this spring after at least 18 months off; it's since tailed off, but something was in the air in April.

Re: chicken with suprelorin implant

Michael Woodhouse — Tue, 08 May 2012 23:03:06 GMT

[quote user="james herriot lied"]Drug interventions should lead to egg discard in any case)[/quote]

Mr 'Erriot, there are products licensed for use in poultry with no egg withhold (Tylan soluble and Flubenvet to name a couple).

Are we not getting into some rather dodgy ethics filling what are legally food producing animals up with unlicensed medicines?

Re: chicken with suprelorin implant

james herriot lied — Tue, 08 May 2012 21:23:35 GMT

Was the chicken actually ill in any way prior to implant? There's a difference, obviously, between occasional soft/missing shells and constant yolks, but was the chicken bothered by them?

Calcium supplementation also tends to have a bit of a glass ceiling, even in chickens. It doesn't always alter the shell quality (I've kept a constant supply of ex-batts for the last 10-15 years, and find that those which lay soft eggs are often happy and largely non-responsive. Drug interventions should lead to egg discard in any case)

Re: chicken with suprelorin implant

Mark Rowland — Tue, 08 May 2012 20:30:27 GMT

These implants can only work for a very short period in chickens. I like deslorelin but it's not the cure for everything;-). I agree with you in that this clients money would be better spent with a bit of work up. Some bloods are a good start. Goodluck