Urgent turtle help needed

Re: Urgent turtle help needed

james herriot lied — Sat, 03 Mar 2012 11:56:32 GMT

[quote user="Mark Rowland"]

You may jest but my Colleague Richard does elephant work and is on a short list of one of the people in the world you call for advice on elephant dystocia.

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Now I'm fascinated by that. What exactly are the options? What's the most exciting / complex delivery he's been involved with. What ARE the common dytocia issues for mummy elephants?

Re: Urgent turtle help needed

Mark Rowland — Sat, 03 Mar 2012 10:02:35 GMT

You may jest but my Colleague Richard does elephant work and is on a short list of one of the people in the world you call for advice on elephant dystocia. He's just got back from doing some elephant stuff recently (trinity vet centre Facebook page). Don't think he did any vasectomies though. I'll have to ask him :-) [quote user="Michael Woodhouse"]

[quote user="james herriot lied"]

Bigger than a ferret vasectomy DVD? How in the name of all that is decent could anything be bigger than a ferret vasectomy DVD?

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Suppose an elephant vasectomy DVD is the silly answer?

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Re: Urgent turtle help needed

Mark Hedberg — Sat, 03 Mar 2012 09:04:19 GMT

I love this place! :)

Re: Urgent turtle help needed

Michael Woodhouse — Sat, 03 Mar 2012 01:21:38 GMT

[quote user="james herriot lied"]

Bigger than a ferret vasectomy DVD? How in the name of all that is decent could anything be bigger than a ferret vasectomy DVD?

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Suppose an elephant vasectomy DVD is the silly answer?

Re: Urgent turtle help needed

Mark Hedberg — Fri, 02 Mar 2012 22:15:21 GMT

[quote user="Mark Rowland"]

Robert De Niro does the narrative:))]

Tom Hanks does the Surgery

Judy Dench does the anaesthetic

ITS an ALL STAR CAST

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Well, so were the 'Carry On...' films, as I recall!

Re: Urgent turtle help needed

Mark Rowland — Fri, 02 Mar 2012 21:30:40 GMT

Robert De Niro does the narrative:))]

Tom Hanks does the Surgery

Judy Dench does the anaesthetic

ITS an ALL STAR CAST

Re: Urgent turtle help needed

james herriot lied — Fri, 02 Mar 2012 21:27:33 GMT

Bigger than a ferret vasectomy DVD? How in the name of all that is decent could anything be bigger than a ferret vasectomy DVD?

Re: Urgent turtle help needed

Mark Rowland — Fri, 02 Mar 2012 21:16:30 GMT

Actually no There are still some great things on the website (ferret vasectomy DVD to be added this weekend) The parrot and tortoise investigation DVDs are selling well. This ones gonna be bigger

Re: Urgent turtle help needed

Mark Hedberg — Fri, 02 Mar 2012 21:07:13 GMT

[quote user="james herriot lied"]

[quote user="Mark Rowland"]

As for the string to the bow, I've almost completed something that I hope will go some way to supplying this for you, watch this space.....

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Will it be something which is available at all good on-line retailers? If so, put me down for a copy already.

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If by "good online retailers" you mean Mark Rowland's website, then yes, it will be, I bet :)

Re: Urgent turtle help needed

james herriot lied — Fri, 02 Mar 2012 18:59:37 GMT

[quote user="Mark Rowland"]

As for the string to the bow, I've almost completed something that I hope will go some way to supplying this for you, watch this space.....

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Will it be something which is available at all good on-line retailers? If so, put me down for a copy already.

Re: Urgent turtle help needed

Mark Rowland — Fri, 02 Mar 2012 17:06:16 GMT

[quote user="james herriot lied"]

(now, where did I see pics of that lately....).

A gaping space in my bow where a string ought to be, methinks. I know what I'll be doing for the next few nights. And there was me thinking I only ever saw rat attacks and anorexias.

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Thats made my day, thanks for looking, thats what the pics are there for. My present SD card has over 2000 pictures on it, I take pictures of things every day (today it was the parrot fracture repair, the tree frog barium study and the chinchilla pyo)so its great to have a place to put them.

As for the string to the bow, I've almost completed something that I hope will go some way to supplying this for you, watch this space.....

Re: Urgent turtle help needed

james herriot lied — Thu, 01 Mar 2012 18:47:08 GMT

[quote user="Bob Russell"]

Do turtles hibernate?

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No, they brumate.

we're in the south west, so temperatures tend to be milder (but with more rain)

Re: Urgent turtle help needed

Bob Russell — Thu, 01 Mar 2012 18:00:53 GMT

Unless you are in a very mild sub-tropical area I suspect a bit of starvation might be a factor! Do turtles hibernate?

Re: Urgent turtle help needed

james herriot lied — Thu, 01 Mar 2012 17:44:08 GMT

Definite outside turtles. On closer inspection, male definietly does have pink tinges to plastron, and both had red flushing of lateral thighs. Would obviously suspect a septicaemia (now, where did I see pics of that lately....).

Also found a number of small (5-8mm) motile slug-like 'worms' which I'll go and have a butchers at after. Can't say at the moment whether they've escaped the dear departed, or whether they were already presnt in the vivarium, which was probably lurking in a dark corner somewhere before being pressed into use.

A gaping space in my bow where a string ought to be, methinks. I know what I'll be doing for the next few nights. And there was me thinking I only ever saw rat attacks and anorexias.

Re: Urgent turtle help needed

Bob Russell — Thu, 01 Mar 2012 17:32:01 GMT

Were these genuinely living outside? A lot of terrapins get shoved into the pond in the back garden and rarely survive the experience.

Re: Urgent turtle help needed

Mark Rowland — Thu, 01 Mar 2012 17:18:21 GMT

Hi sorry they died but it sounds as if Elvis was leaving the building when they got to you.

Look at a pond issue, recent plant/algal growth, use of fertiliser locally, water source etc.

A pm might tell you more also

Pretty sad eh but I dont think you could have done anything more.

Re: Urgent turtle help needed

james herriot lied — Thu, 01 Mar 2012 17:06:05 GMT

Sorry, meant to say, thanks for the replies

Re: Urgent turtle help needed

james herriot lied — Thu, 01 Mar 2012 17:05:45 GMT

OK, panic over. Unfortunately, both now dead. Both had fluids / antibs and warming in a water tank; neither responded and the female stopped with withdrawal reflexes fairly quickly.

This may be a hibernation issue, but at the moment I have no really firm leads as to cause of death.

Re: Urgent turtle help needed

Mark Hedberg — Thu, 01 Mar 2012 15:49:10 GMT

Have you ever tube fed reptiles? Glucose, and some herbivore critical care in a pinch works; heat and hydration are a must . Antibiosis - baytril 10mg/kg q12h or 20mg/kg q24h. Or ceftazidime 20mg/kg q3d.

Warm the turtles up to at least 20c - should be 21-26c (70-80F.) Do you have a viv of any kind, or a glass fish tank you can put a thermometer in? Heat is urgent.

(I cheerfully await Mr Rowland giving you more detailed and better advice, this is just emergency tx.)

Warn the owners that reptiles are slow to decline, and recovery, IF it happens, will be equally slow.

Re: Urgent turtle help needed

Hannah Wynne Richards — Thu, 01 Mar 2012 15:39:48 GMT

Can't help. but good luck

Wynne